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Roaming elk trigger talk of hunt

Submitted by thenewstribune.com on October 15, 2008 - 4:40am.

The hundreds of elk that stamp around yards and chew up fruit trees in the mountain towns near Mount Rainier have given residents fits for years.

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Submitted by Brown91 on October 19, 2008 - 10:00pm.

Elk stare-downs in past years. The first, a hefty cow, while driving uphill on a winding forest road. She stood stock-still in the middle of the road, glaring menacingly. And after a few seconds suddenly bolted for the roadside brush.
The second encounter was on an October Deer-hunting day. I was quietly walking along an abandoned logging road near the White River. Suddenly, the crack of a limb breaking
announced the emerging of a big, lordly-looking 3-point bull Elk. He was instantly standing about 75 feet in front of me, with that same menacing eyes-locking glare. As
I began to think "What's he gonna...", with a toss of his handsomely-racked head he strode into the nearby brushy woods, out of sight in seconds.
So I s'pose that's their normal human-confrontation mode-- glare menacingly a few seconds, then break & split.


Submitted by pungentsound on October 16, 2008 - 9:37am.

Ted Nugent, Nobama, Katrina, Raccoons. Where am I?


Submitted by akh on October 15, 2008 - 6:45pm.

Be careful people of packwood, when PETA and the greenies get ahold of this information your toast. They will come in and save the ELK. You will have to leave them alone and any shoing off will be animal cruelty and harrassment punishable by 1 year in jail. You will be required to pick up all ELK poop in disposable recycle bags off your propery daily to not pollute the ground water or streams. You will also be required to plant 10% of your property with trees that horns can be rubbed on but not blocking the view from the road so bus loads of asians can take pictures, or pay a penalty. If any ELK enter your property and you do not have your 55 gallon drum full of food this will also result in stiff fines. Hay bedding areas will also be enforced on your property to sleep up to 30 ELK and replenished weekly. All these rules will be at the property owners expense, repeat offenders not following the laws will be subject to 10 years in prison. Careful this is what liberals do, u been warned.


Submitted by Niner1 on October 16, 2008 - 10:17am.

I doubt the People for the Eating of Tasty Animals would have any objections to an elk hunt. Elk are tasty too!


Submitted by venice on October 15, 2008 - 11:19am.

To those complaining about the elk: Move!!! Leave those beautiful animals alone!!!


Submitted by madmike272 on October 16, 2008 - 9:22am.

Very tasty!


Submitted by wak on October 15, 2008 - 10:35am.

Let me guess akh, you live in the country somewhere, drive a 4x4, and hunt those poor animals. Blood sucking scum. Join the new wave and ride a bike, live in the city and vote Liberal. Why not? It hasn't worked yet!

When Pres O gets in, he is going to show his true colors and send people like you to the East side where you can drag your knuckles all day long in pursuit of something so disgusting as red meat.

Elk in the garden? I have a solution for that.......thunk.

Go Primos!!!


Submitted by madmike272 on October 16, 2008 - 9:23am.

You are!


Submitted by akh on October 15, 2008 - 5:57pm.

Yes I live in the county, sick of all those city libs for nieghbors always in a bad mood, and I have 2 4x4's that get really crummy gas mileage,thanks to all those prius drivers making it possible for me to drive them, hope they never end up under my tires. And the freezer still has meat from the elk I got last year. Just exercising my american rights hope if it pisses off some of you who want to control everything and everybody, get back to your Koolaid. Ted Nugent for President. Go Gonzo!


Submitted by matos on October 15, 2008 - 9:11pm.

If George Armstrong Custer were alive today, he would be Ted Nugent! Ol' George - who had presidential ambitions too - routinely overran Indian camps just before dawn while most were asleep and too drowsy to escape their own slaughter. On the Washita, Custer waited 'til the rising sun hit upon the American Flag that Black Kettle had been given with apology for the savagery committed against his band by the Colorado Volunteers in the earlier Sand Creek Massacre. On the Washita morning, George was not content with just killing the Indians. He ordered the throats slit of all 300 horses owned by dead and dying Indians. Ted, White & Blue would have loved the animal Red Blood on the winter snow.

Oh yeah, I remember Ted Nugent of the hippy yippy Ayers and Dohrn years, when he regaled his concert crowds and a fawning press with his proud tale of how he'd evaded the draft and escaped military duty with others of his generation in Vietnam. He'd brag how he'd accumulated his own defecation in his pants for the week before reporting as ordered to his local Draft Board - pants full. Of course they rejected him for service!

This was a blog about pants, ain't it?


Submitted by aislander on October 15, 2008 - 9:22pm.

...for over two years. You give the impression of having been a member your whole life...


Submitted by bummed1 on October 15, 2008 - 7:16pm.

.... there's a reason Nuge rhymes with stooge. Take another pill..........


Submitted by wak on October 15, 2008 - 6:30pm.

Nugent? Nugent? He is sooooooo out of touch with humanity. That reflects poorly on you akh. What a Right Winger.

Enlighten yourself akh. Turn Left at the crossroads.......it is the only way to go. Give the meat to the American Indians already and purge yourself of the Toxic Right.

You need to become one with nature and evolve.

Knucklehead.


Submitted by akh on October 15, 2008 - 7:06pm.

I see you took you hands outta your pants to reply. Last time I came to a crossroad I saw a right turn and a straight one also, what happened to your diversity mantra?? The indians are plenty full I guess you didn't know of the nooksack elk herd nearly shot to extinction by all the tribal pressure, so they go east now and shot elk in the feeding stations, but thats o.k. if they vote democrat huh? and if we meet someday I would love to put a knuckle to your head is that evolve enough for you? get back to your pants pee-wee.


Submitted by jpeters on October 15, 2008 - 10:19am.

Seriously? You moved to the mountains most likely for peace and quiet, to get closer to nature, to slow down a bit. Now that nature is trampling your garden you want to move nature? Reminds me of people that buy a house next to an airport then want the planes to stop because they are noisy. Hey you moved there you knew the risks deal with it.

Yea I know the title People love to complain and yet what am I doing? Complaining.


Submitted by pungentsound on October 15, 2008 - 10:09am.

management and hunting is the tool of the trade. So get on with it DNR or tribe and manage. Like always when man moves in things in nature get out of balance.


Submitted by beerBoy on October 15, 2008 - 10:14am.

According to Moeller, who has tracked the herd, it now numbers about 1,000, half the size state officials have said they would like to manage in the area.


Submitted by akh on October 15, 2008 - 9:48am.

Looks like all you could do is write up a dumbdown story with a hidden agenda. Make archery hunters look bad, killing elk bad, tribal members look good. I'm sure when Nobama is president he will relocate hundreds of new elk into the area next to the new Packwood lights casino.


Submitted by beerBoy on October 15, 2008 - 9:54am.

Please explain how the presidential election has anything to do with this story.


Submitted by akh on October 15, 2008 - 6:16pm.

You see if "THAT ONE" gets elected and he could possibly have 10% of all his promises come true, then people with common sense will start laying off employees, take there money out of investments knowing the taxes are not worth it, real estate will tank further, government services will be stretched to the limit with everyone wanting a piece of the wealth redistibution so they can sit on the couch and get fatter and lazyer. If all the smart people stop spending and tighten the belts then the economy as bad as it is now will tank even further creating a mass panic, no money no food what will everyone do ???? Hey lets go shot Elk in packwood, great idea and thats what the politics has to do with my comment. TED NUGENT for PRESIDENT!!


Submitted by etfm on October 16, 2008 - 11:09am.

While I enjoy hunting, these are just city people who moved to a rural area and then want the everything to conform to them. That being said, akh just posted one of the dumber posts I've ever read. National politics have little to nothing to do with a local elk population and their "invasion" of urban sprawl. It is something that is to be dealt with on a local level. Oh yeah, I believe that Ted Nugent is an idiot who actually does more to hurt the tradition of hunting than he does to promote it.


Submitted by judman25 on October 15, 2008 - 9:46am.

How dare these elk try to roam around Mt. rainier national park. They should each be hung in the town square.


Submitted by murphtall on October 15, 2008 - 9:33am.

What is so wrong about allowing a few elk to be killed. the residents will do it if they wish anyway, why not make it legal and make a few bucks on permits, sheesh, just don't allow an unlimited number of permits for the area. How hard is that?
`KM


Submitted by Dcr628 on October 15, 2008 - 9:08am.

Nope witchi....no pitchurs...HEY I was buzy DRIVING! HAAA!!


Submitted by Dcr628 on October 15, 2008 - 9:07am.

Elks Lodge! Gitouttahere Beerboy....you know they coudnt put all those elk in there! and whos gonna clean up the mess!!

PETA would have a fit! Poor animals living in such squalor!


Submitted by djknay on October 15, 2008 - 9:06am.

It's amazing how many people want to get near nature but don't want nature to get near them. I'd personally plant their favorite food and admire them when they came to visit. Isn't that why people move to the woods? It was for me.


Submitted by Dcr628 on October 15, 2008 - 8:55am.

I saw the remains of an 18 wheel FREIGHTLINER that tangled with an elk once...had half the front end torn off ( course its all just fiberglass up there) but it was an impressive amount of damage.

I think the LAST thing Id ever want to do is hit one in a tiny little CAR!


Submitted by bacon_a on October 15, 2008 - 8:54am.

... move to where the elk don't live. They didn't ask you to move into their neighborhood.


Submitted by chevyman on October 15, 2008 - 8:49am.

How about we open a season on the developers who built the massive subdivisions over what was once wild forest land? Or the county leaders who allowed it to happen? I'll tell you, I'd much rather hunt down and kill one of them than a harmless elk.

As for racoons, they're a parasite on the human population. THEY are overpopulated and are a pest. And yes, they are viscous. Ever seen what they can do to a cat?

When they're on my land, I kill 'em.


Submitted by beerBoy on October 15, 2008 - 8:52am.

I usually run Raccoon 10w40 in my car....


Submitted by witchiwoman on October 15, 2008 - 8:56am.

I was just coming after the speller, till I read your post, beer. You're funny.


Submitted by Dcr628 on October 15, 2008 - 8:41am.

Who cares about ELK

Shoot, the other night, in fact the last few other nights, I come wandering down my dock, go around the corner, and come face to face with a giant, menacing, man-eating HERON that has taken up residence in my neighbors inflatable!

Skeered the Bejebbers outta me fer cryin out loud!


Submitted by witchiwoman on October 15, 2008 - 8:58am.

I hope you took one, Dale.


Submitted by beerBoy on October 15, 2008 - 8:55am.

Why don't they move into the old Elk's lodge in Tacoma - it's empty.


Submitted by angelseas78 on October 15, 2008 - 8:39am.

It doesn't take a genius to expect to see wildlife when one moves to an area near forests. I would hope many people would move to areas near forests to enjoy it simply for that reason. If people want to take steps to rid or drastically decrease their areas of "rhododendron eaters," or other wildlife in general, who call those areas their home (and called those areas their home first), then that's just ludicrous! This idea is especially redicilous because there is already proof that the elk population isn't at numbers researches would like it to be. The residents who are having issues should perhaps think about moving back to the city.

By the way, my dad had a place for a few years in Packwood just until recently a couple minutes outside downtown Packwood. The attitude he showed as well as those who he talked to in Packwood was an attitude of acceptance for the elk and all other forms of wildlife. Where are the resident's throwing fits? It's Packwood and with Packwood comes wildlife such as elk.


Submitted by vingrotto on October 15, 2008 - 8:32am.

... move back to the city. How fortunate you are to live at the foot of that beautiful mountain.


Submitted by Olemag on October 15, 2008 - 9:35am.

We have pushed and pushed them off their natural feeding grounds, cut down the trees, cleared the underbrush, built boring, boring housing developments on roaming lands, and then we have the nerve to complain if they come into "our" space? If you are concerned about Raccoons, don't leave pet food outdoors. If you encounter one in the woods, especially with young ones, walk a wide path around them. I've done this hundreds of times on the Olympic Peninsula. Viva ELK!


Submitted by m9078jk3 on October 15, 2008 - 7:53am.

I've had to kill 6 wild vicious animals (Raccoons) in my yard this year in Tacoma.
Some animals just have to be killed especially raccoons.


Submitted by Niner1 on October 15, 2008 - 8:06am.

You have no idea how big an elk is, do you?

I drive a full sized truck and would not want to hit one for the damage it would do to my vehicle. A passenger car would be totalled.


Submitted by patty46 on October 15, 2008 - 8:10am.

but that doesn't mean we need to kill them.


Submitted by madmike272 on October 16, 2008 - 9:27am.

Elk...tasty!!!


Submitted by beerBoy on October 15, 2008 - 8:49am.

while driving up a single lane dirt road from a backpacking trip. He was twice the size of my Saturn SL1.


Submitted by witchiwoman on October 15, 2008 - 8:55am.

They have moose roaming the streets all the time up there. Just like the show Northern Exposure. LOL. I wonder if that means an early hard winter, if the elk are already down from the mountain?


Submitted by patty46 on October 15, 2008 - 7:57am.

they only get excited if you attack them or they feel threatened. No animal deserves to be killed unless it attacks you for no reason. and that goes for humans also!.


Submitted by witchiwoman on October 15, 2008 - 7:56am.

you'd better hide under your bed, cause the boogeyman is comin' to get you!
.
I'm sorry dude, but that is the wimpiest comment I've heard out of a man's mouth in a long time.


Submitted by m9078jk3 on October 15, 2008 - 8:02am.

They are the number one carrier of rabies.Raccoons kill chickens,pets and destroy crops.
I've lost about a $3,000 of food every year for the past 9 years in my backyard due to Raccoons.
This year I had a bumper crop (because I've killed these pests).
I also lost my favorite cat due to a raccoon killing her 8 years ago.
Whenever I discover that raccoons are around my property I poison them or shoot them.


Submitted by witchiwoman on October 15, 2008 - 7:53am.

Every where I go at this time of year I see fruit rotting on the ground around fruit trees. If those owners were interested in picking the fruit, it would have been picked already! Is that dog-in-the-manger or what?
.
They should be thanking the elk for helping clean up the area! LOL.


Submitted by patty46 on October 15, 2008 - 7:54am.

LOL..Haaaaa.


Submitted by seawaguy36 on October 15, 2008 - 7:13am.

Lonnie Davis, who lives in Puyallup and owns 20 acres just outside Packwood, disagrees. “The elk are not walking on our land. We built on their land,” he said. “I say just leave it as it is.”

This is happening all over the place. Native animals get pushed and pushed further out while unfortunately we keep building mostly horrible subdivisions, huge houses for small families, etc. etc.

Those poor animals have no where to go! Davis is right.


Submitted by Niner1 on October 15, 2008 - 8:02am.

My mom grew up in Packwood and my grandfather was a lifelong resident. I am willing to bet that most of the folks doing the complaining are people who moved there from bigger cities to get closer to nature. Funny how they then complain when nature isn't just wildflowers and a pretty view out the window. Nature includes elk and other wildlife that need to eat.

Lonnie is right; leave the elk alone.

Unless there is an overpopulation problem there is no need to increases the hunting numbers. Not that I would complain if there was aneed. I will be happy to go out with my Dad and help control the population while putting meat in my freezer :-)


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