Do you think Hillary Clinton should concede the Democratic nomination to Barack Obama?

Yes
53% (102 votes)
No
47% (92 votes)
Total votes: 194
Submitted by Cascadeclyde on May 28, 2008 - 9:47am.

Whether Hillary concedes at this point or sticks it out to the bitter end is almost a moot point. I'll admit I'm a Obama supporter first, and a Hillary supporter second. I would hope all Democrats would agree that the sooner we can unify the Democratic Party behind a single presidential candidate the better off we'll be. To me the bigger question is not so much which (Democratic) candidate we put forth as the Democratic presidential contender ..... the bigger issue is to make sure we leave no stone unturned in our efforts to keep John McCain out of the White House. John McCain may look like just a mild mannered reporter, but if we let him into that telephone booth known as the White House. I'll guarantee he'll emerge not as Superman, but as George Bush in disguise - and nothing is more frightening than that!


Submitted by LuckyCharm on May 28, 2008 - 10:29am.

She's not going to win the nomination by any means, but the last 3 contests need to be played out. Otherwise, she will start claiming she was forced out right before the finish line by all those mean ol' boys... Waaahhh!!! Let the process play out completely, so everyone can see how she lost fair and square.

~~Cheryl


Submitted by mrspcakes46 on May 28, 2008 - 9:51am.

HAAAAA..thats funny....George Bush in disguise...haaaaaaaaa.


Submitted by CrazyJim on May 11, 2008 - 3:00pm.

If she does.........imagine the star power she will be able to add to the Obama campaign! McSame does have the albatross in chief though.


Submitted by jrbj_999 on May 11, 2008 - 7:44am.

The campaign is not over, even though Obama will probably be the eventual winner, and in this country everyone has the right and responsibility to cast their vote and make their preferences known. Until that happens, the race is still on and Hillary Clinton is still a candidate. Further, the support of Super Delegates can be given, revoked and re-given again and there are still issues to take before the party rules committee at the convention. I'm sure the Obama campaign and its supporters want to convince the public that its all over, but the truth is, it isn't. I'm an independent and don't adhere to either party's political theology. As such, I can indiscriminately say that the Democratic Party leadership seems more concerned with themselves and their party than they do with what might be best for the American people and that leaves me very suspicious of their future intentions. Barack Obama calls for radical change in government and that scares the heck out of me. Such actions usually throw the baby out with the bathwater and do no one any good. Also, in a country with record indebtedness and extreme hardship to middle and lower class citizens, Obama's programs will most likely cause our national indebtedness to double, which will make the economy even worse than it is and deal a blow to business that may bring it to its knees. No matter how much you may hate big business, you have to realize that its what keeps the country afloat and keeps it running. Further, throughout his life Sen. Obama has established a track record of misjudgment after misjudgment from using drugs in his youth, to preferring socialist professors while in college, to associating with William Ayers and Tony Rezco, to attending what is clearly a black activist church pastored by a black nationalist pastor, to showing his clear elitist concepts in his remarks about blue-collar, white Americans clinging to their guns and religion. Michelle Obama is not going to be President, but she will be first lady if Obama is elected to office and she has remarked that Obama's campaign is the first time she has been proud to be an American. What kind of person is that to be first-lady of the country? Our next President will have to hit the deck running without taking time to deal with a learning curve first. Obama simply can't do that and both Clinton and McCain can. Bottom line to all of this is that those who are going to vote Democrat in the general election better hope that Hillary Clinton can still pull a rabbit out of a hat because is she can't everyone voting Democrat will be shooting themselves in the foot.


Submitted by LuckyCharm on May 11, 2008 - 10:56pm.

Allright, been a long day, finally getting around to this one. At least it gave me the impetus to seek out more current sources, since the ones I already had were kinda stale, much like the issues raised here. No matter, gets me in shape for the general: One, two, three, ONE! One, two, three, TWO!


Jr. BJ says: "Barack Obama calls for radical change in government and that scares the heck out of me." Really? Whyever for? If Bu$h's record isn't enough to convince you that this country desperately needs a change in the way things are done in Washington, then I want whatever you're drinking! Although I can say right now, it's gotta be Kool-Aid...


"Obama's programs will most likely cause our national indebtedness to double"... Which programs in particular? On what do you base your figures?


"Obama has established a track record of misjudgment after misjudgment from using drugs in his youth"... Okay, here we're getting to the good stuff. First, I want a president who has better judgment now than he had in college! Do you deserve to be evaluated on what you thought and did over two decades ago? Me either. And neither does he.


"...to preferring socialist professors while in college..." This is a new one on me. Please be specific: which professors, and how did he "prefer" them?


"...to associating with William Ayers..." AHA! Well why don't we just take a better look at this "association," hmm? Article concludes: "This whole connection is a stretch," Harrington told me. "Barack was very well known in Chicago, and a highly respected legislator. It would be difficult to find people round here who never volunteered or contributed money to one of his campaigns."


"...and Tony Rezco..." [sic] Please read 8 things you need to know about Rezko. Something the article omits: the reason the two deals closed at the same time was because the seller stipulated it. Very common in real estate -- I have experienced the same challenge myself recently.


"...to attending what is clearly a black activist church pastored by a black nationalist pastor..." Finally, another opportunity to post Obama's wonderful speech on race, hailed as one of the most important political speeches of our generation. He explains himself very clearly there. Go ahead, listen -- please!


"...to showing his clear elitist concepts in his remarks about blue-collar, white Americans clinging to their guns and religion..." I'll resist the temptation to echo Jon Stewart's sentiment (I want somebody in there who's smarter than me!!) and instead refer you to Rachel Maddow's comments on the issue, which echo my own sentiments exactly, only she's cuter, for you guys.


"...[Michelle] has remarked that Obama's campaign is the first time she has been proud to be an American..." Is it true that "independents" never really read or research what they're talking about? No, can't be, 'cause I'm an independent. Regardless, let me just say that you have badly misquoted our next First Lady. What she said was that right now, for the first time in her adult life, she is really proud of our country. And she was talking about the level of political involvement she's seen among people who were heretofore disenfranchised and disillusioned. People like me (yes, I wrote to her, and yes I received a personal written letter) who have never before cared a whit about politics, rolling up their sleeves and diving into the often slimy trenches of our political process.


And you know what else? I am an Iraq war veteran, having honorably served my country in combat. Am I a patriot? You'd better say yes, unless you've outdone me on the putting-one's-life-on-the-line score. Am I always proud of America? NO. We can do sooo much better... Do I love my country? You'd better believe it -- I wouldn't be investing so much time, energy, money, and personal convenience into electing the RIGHT president this time if I didn't.


"Our next President will have to hit the deck running without taking time to deal with a learning curve first." Abraham Lincoln, one of our greatest presidents, had less experience upon taking office than Obama. On the other hand, "experience" has given us Rumsfeld and Cheney. If you believe these characters have been good for America, then I'm afraid we have no further basis for discussion, because we're living in different universes.


~~Cheryl


Submitted by moderate on May 11, 2008 - 2:12pm.

I'm sure you believe what you have written, and you are entitled to that opinion as all Americans (except citylies) are entitled to have an opinion.
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However, you sound like the republican noise machine. You have bought into every lie, half-truth and mis-representation that the likes of Lush Rumbaugh and Luffa Bill have to offer.
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The simple fact is, that democrats are the party of fiscal responsibility. The whole indebtedness, deficit spending thing is high art of the Reagan, Bush and Bush the lesser administrations.
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And it is just silly to think anything good of McCain. He lacks any morals, ethics, self-esteem, and good judgment. Once he actually has a candidate running against him, he will not be able to hide from his past (unless of course the corporate media bury everything about him the way they did with Bush the lesser).
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The simple fact is this country will not survive another republican administration. And that is what you will get from McCain and most likely Clinton as well.


Submitted by citylies on May 11, 2008 - 2:33pm.

but he's usually far left. The country may not handle another limp wristed republican well, but it will by no means be the end of the USA. The country does need a conservative strong leader who will not cower to the libs and their government media complex. A leader who speaks the truth plainly, and clearly speaks a conservative vision for the future. All others are lame salesmen in empty suits.


Submitted by Poptart on May 11, 2008 - 8:25am.

good comments.


Submitted by beerBoy on May 11, 2008 - 8:31am.

"Obama's programs will most likely cause our national indebtedness to double"
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Have you noticed our indebtedness has done under the current American "CEO"?
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Submitted by citylies on May 11, 2008 - 2:34pm.

FREEDOM? ALL of it.


Submitted by beerBoy on May 11, 2008 - 8:03am.

found this gem:
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"Barack Obama calls for radical change in government and that scares the heck out of me." Followed by a whole bunch of guilt by association paranoia.
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Do tell - what "radical change" has Obama called for?


Submitted by tacomacityresident on May 11, 2008 - 8:01am.

What would she be resigning from....the US Senate? I would accept that. I'm not sure you can "resign" from being your own campaign....maybe stop, suspend or quit. Resign just sounds funny, like she is already the candidate.


Submitted by LuckyCharm on May 11, 2008 - 6:35am.

...All I can do is quote superdelegate Donna Brazile, who responded to one Clintonite's nasty letter demanding her support and threatening a McCain vote should Hillary lose the nomination:


"So I believe you're ready to not only destroy Roe versus Wade, voting rights, civil liberties and civil rights. Perhaps adding trillions more to the deficits through non-stop tax cuts to the wealthy and 100 more years in Iraq. Yes, please join Rush and McCain asap. The train has left. Catch it."


If you truly believe that Bu$h has brought our great nation to the brink of ruin, you won't vote for Bush 3.0. Don't forget, it's not only about the presidency, it's about the Supreme Court, too.


Don't be petty. Our nation is in crisis, and this is no time to be voting based on bruised feelings. Our brave men and women are fighting and dying every day in a war that has decimated our coffers, our military might, our national morale, and our standing in the eyes of the rest of the world. We can't TAKE McCain's "hundred more years"!


Do the right thing. Think about it -- it's not about Clinton or Obama, really, it's about taking this country back for ALL Americans.


~~Cheryl


Submitted by citylies on May 11, 2008 - 6:42am.

None of these candidates are LEADERS. None will solve any problem, no matter who gets in.


Submitted by witchiwoman on May 11, 2008 - 6:43am.

Obama is a GREAT leader. Look how he's leading all of us now.


Submitted by m9078jk3 on May 11, 2008 - 2:42pm.

He is a good orator that's all.All words.
Adolf Hitler was a great Orator too.


Submitted by citylies on May 11, 2008 - 2:44pm.

at speaking! Every time I watch him he stammers and pauses as though trying to come up with something people would like versus being right and having the courage of any convictions of his own.


Submitted by Poptart on May 11, 2008 - 8:12am.

LIKE A PIED PIPER..excuse any misspelled. OBAMA is dangerous and his followers are Nieve.


Submitted by witchiwoman on May 11, 2008 - 8:16am.

WE don't let our leaders think for us so that all we have to do is shout "Ditto!" at our radios in the morning.
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WE, many of us Obama supporters, are Independents, who think for ourselves.
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Mr. Limbaugh holds the Pied Piper title, and proudly I might add. He loves to crow about how his listeners don't think, they just repeat after him.


Submitted by Poptart on May 11, 2008 - 8:33am.

with all due respect I listen to both sides and I THINK FOR MYSELF and just listening I make up my own mind. I didn't get this far in life by mimicking others thoughts...but I also visit and talk to alot of people and they pretty much feel the same. We don't have excellent choices but OBAMA would be scarey. If you are a Mother do have a good day:) We are as a GREAT NATION in some real testing times. Oh and believe it or not I said "PIED PIPER" before Rushy!


Submitted by witchiwoman on May 11, 2008 - 10:42am.

Why do you keep saying Obama is scary? You say it over and over but don't say why. I'm sincerely curious.
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If you don't have a definitive answer, I'm going to find it hard to take it seriously when you say he's scary. It just sounds like citylies shouting KHAOS over and over with nothing else to say.


Submitted by citylies on May 11, 2008 - 12:34pm.

The KHAOS is all around you, and engulfing the nomination process. I am enjoying it at Obama's expense. There. There's more on khaos.


Submitted by moderate on May 11, 2008 - 2:16pm.

Nobody reads Broder. He is just too irrelevant.


Submitted by beerBoy on May 11, 2008 - 9:53am.

"Good points!"


Submitted by tacomacityresident on May 11, 2008 - 7:56am.

"Obama is a GREAT leader. Look how he's leading all of us now".
He doesn't even have enough delegates to win the nomination of his party yet.


Submitted by witchiwoman on May 11, 2008 - 8:13am.

since you're slowed down. The delegates are letting the primary season play out to keep the party together. It's a courtesy. Nothing more.
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Obama has the delegates. Never fear.


Submitted by tacomacityresident on May 11, 2008 - 8:16am.

Don't worry, I'll have my popcorn ready sitting on my couch watching the "Big show in Denver". It will rival the Olympic Games!


Submitted by citylies on May 11, 2008 - 6:45am.

the guy is an empty suit. He couldn't dance his way out of a wet paper bag.


Submitted by LuckyCharm on May 11, 2008 - 7:27am.

It's 3 a.m. Who do you want answering the phone?


Not John McCain, say some military leaders: "I think his knee-jerk response factor is a little scary."


In interviews with Salon this week, several experienced military officers said McCain draws mixed reviews among military leaders, and they expressed serious doubts about whether McCain has the right temperament to be the next president and commander in chief. Some expressed more confidence in Obama, citing his temperament as an asset.

It is not difficult in Washington to find high-level military officials who have had close encounters with John McCain's temper, and who find it worrisome. Politicians sometimes scream for effect, but the concern is that McCain has, at times, come across as out of control. It is difficult to find current or former officers willing to describe those encounters in detail on the record. That's because, by and large, those officers admire McCain. But that doesn't mean they want his finger on the proverbial button, and they are supporting Clinton or Obama instead.

"I like McCain. I respect McCain. But I am a little worried by his knee-jerk response factor," said retired Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton, who was in charge of training the Iraqi military from 2003 to 2004 and is now campaigning for Clinton. "I think it is a little scary. I think this guy's first reactions are not necessarily the best reactions. I believe that he acts on impulse."

"I studied leadership for a long time during 32 years in the military," said retired Air Force Maj. Gen. Scott Gration, a one-time Republican who is supporting Obama. "It is all about character. Who can motivate willing followers? Who has the vision? Who can inspire people?" Gration asked. "I have tremendous respect for John McCain, but I would not follow him."

"One of the things the senior military would like to see when they go visit the president is a kind of consistency, a kind of reliability," explained retired Gen. Merrill McPeak, a former Republican, former chief of staff of the Air Force and former fighter pilot who flew 285 combat missions. McPeak said his perception is that Obama is "not that up when he is up and not that down when he is down. He is kind of a steady Eddie. This is a very important feature," McPeak said. On the other hand, he said, "McCain has got a reputation for being a little volatile." McPeak is campaigning for Obama.

Stephen Wayne, a political science professor at Georgetown who is studying the personalities of the presidential candidates, agrees McCain's temperament is of real concern. "The anger is there," Wayne said. If McCain is the one to answer the phone at 3 a.m., he said, "you worry about an initial emotive, less rational response."



Submitted by Poptart on May 11, 2008 - 8:35am.

FOR SURE not OBAMA!


Submitted by beerBoy on May 11, 2008 - 9:55am.

Why?


Submitted by witchiwoman on May 11, 2008 - 7:39am.

And worrisome at the same time, re: McCain. But it will come out into the public eye as the race focuses on two instead of three.


Submitted by LuckyCharm on May 11, 2008 - 7:45am.

....Or should I say, REstarted. I used to comment here all the time, but campaign demands pulled me away for a while. I'm still active in the campaign, a PCO, 29th LD Obama Captain, and a delegate to the 6th CD Caucus in Shelton next Saturday, and have thrown my hat in for National (although I may gladly cede that honor to some who have invested even more than me in this grand effort to turn our ship of state toward brighter horizons).


Yes WE can!!


~~Cheryl


Submitted by Poptart on May 11, 2008 - 8:14am.

yes we can what?? It is SCAREY!


Submitted by witchiwoman on May 11, 2008 - 8:21am.

Black people will not rise up and mow you down. Life will go on. Things will get better.
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Obama is not a tax and spend liberal, despite what Fox News and AM 570 say over and over. Obama is actually very moderate and level headed, not to mention extremely intelligent.


Submitted by Poptart on May 11, 2008 - 8:38am.

if black people would do that then I would be afraid of my own family! PLEASE.....was that racist comment witchiwoman? I would hope not:)


Submitted by witchiwoman on May 11, 2008 - 10:30am.

See what happens when I assume? I get to eat crow. But please don't divert me from the essence of my thought. I respect that you are a conservative, whatever color you may be. Respect my beliefs too. I don't object to conservatism. Just to name calling and fact twisting to spread chaos. And I'm not too fond of shouting at each other as a form of debate either.


Submitted by beerBoy on May 11, 2008 - 9:56am.

If white people would do that....


Submitted by witchiwoman on May 11, 2008 - 7:51am.

Glad you're back. Sometimes I feel kind of alone here, politically.


Submitted by LuckyCharm on May 11, 2008 - 7:58am.

Now we have the same old, worn-out, debunked, refuted arguments and claims to contend with (although in a way, it's probably a blessing in disguise that the primary season has dragged on for so long, because we're gonna be deflecting the same old crapola from the McSame crowd starting in just a few weeks). I don't have time right now to write the paragraphs I have inside me, rebutting all these broad references, but will check this thread again later and see where it's gone in the meantime.


~~Cheryl


Submitted by patty46 on May 11, 2008 - 7:54am.

so who or what was your name before ?.


Submitted by beerBoy on May 11, 2008 - 7:57am.

witchiwoman was referring to Lucky Charm aka Cheryl when she wrote "glad you are back".


Submitted by patty46 on May 11, 2008 - 8:01am.

but witchiwoman was not around when cheryl was posting. so she must of posted under another name she knows about many of us here ! but that's fine I like her /him seams to be a very nice person. I was just curious.


Submitted by beerBoy on May 11, 2008 - 8:08am.

So, do you think that everyone here posts under multiple names and holds discussions between their sock puppets? Hmmmm....isn't that what you are accused of doing?


Submitted by witchiwoman on May 11, 2008 - 8:11am.

Cheryl aka Lucky Charm said in her post that she was REstarting and had been away on the campaign trail. So I said, "Glad you are back." It was just a courtesy statement. I don't know her personally.


Submitted by witchiwoman on May 11, 2008 - 6:50am.

from a man who shouts DITTO!! at the radio in the mornings.
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And you're entitled to it, I might add.


Submitted by witchiwoman on May 11, 2008 - 6:39am.

Well said!


Submitted by citylies on May 11, 2008 - 6:42am.

know! Always.


Submitted by hacling on May 11, 2008 - 3:16am.

I voted for Hillary and I had her signs in my yard. If Hillary doesn't win the nomination I will be supporting John McCain, as will millions of others who have supported Hillary.


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