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Do you support lowering the drinking age from 21 to 18, as some college presidents propose, to reduce binge drinking?

Yes
38% (79 votes)
No
62% (127 votes)
Total votes: 206
Submitted by mercaties on August 30, 2008 - 11:08pm.

The simple fact is 18 year olds are drinking if the want to be drinking. To say your body is mature enough to fight a war but not mature enough to drink is asinine and makes no logical sence. To be perfectly honest a lot of people are "done" drinking before they turn 21. I think that either the drinking age should be lowered to 18 or the legal age to become a consenting adult should be 21. To have a four year age gap between the two is very outdated and out of touch with reality.


Submitted by iamjimm on August 22, 2008 - 9:29am.

"Sin" tax revenue.


Submitted by LibertyisFreedom on August 22, 2008 - 9:31am.

IT IS ABOUT CASH FLOW.... THE END.


Submitted by crhoff on August 22, 2008 - 2:46am.

18 year olds in the military are supervised by adults. Should they be drunk there will be very significant consequences.

18 year olds that are not in the military face the "consequence free" kind of enforcement that we have allowed our civilian population to enjoy and look what that has led to.


Submitted by beerBoy on August 22, 2008 - 5:11am.

The only area of the law that does not give them full majority is drinking.


Submitted by mcgyver on August 22, 2008 - 5:26am.

should we change that law too?


Submitted by beerBoy on August 22, 2008 - 5:34am.

being eligible to run for president isn't a function of being an adult. I'm thinking that wanting the job in the first place should make you ineligible.


Submitted by mcgyver on August 23, 2008 - 11:06pm.

should we change that law too?


Submitted by beerBoy on August 24, 2008 - 4:55am.

Though I am not thrilled by the proliferation of handguns, I would be inclined to say yes.


Submitted by mcgyver on August 24, 2008 - 10:56am.

should we change that law too?


Submitted by Rowdy_Rob on August 31, 2008 - 3:13am.

And born in this country. Shall we change this one, too?

"I'll be back...in four years!"

Submitted by beerBoy on August 31, 2008 - 6:07am.

being eligible to run office is not a function of being an adult.


Submitted by mcgyver on August 31, 2008 - 5:53am.

Doesn't that disqualify him? What's the story here?


Submitted by tuddo on August 31, 2008 - 6:20am.

McCain was born in Panama at the time when it was not considered "natural born". No politician wants to bring this up, because it would mean all Panamanians born during that time would get US passports and citizenship if it was challenged in court and McCain won.


Submitted by frankiethomas on August 31, 2008 - 6:24am.

since the senate approved a non-binding resolution in April that he was eligible to run.


Submitted by frankiethomas on August 31, 2008 - 6:05am.

He was born in Hawaii in 1961. Hawaii became a state in 1959. He was born in the USA.


Submitted by kristenrolf on August 21, 2008 - 11:02am.

The frontal cortex, what some refer to as the "Executive" part of the brain (because it is where we make decisions), is not even fully formed until we reach our early twenties. This implies that people who are 21 may not be fully capable of making a responsible decision. Instead of lowering the drinking age, and potentially allowing for more injuries, deaths, and heartache, perhaps we should be discussing raising the drinking age.


Submitted by beerBoy on August 21, 2008 - 11:44am.

I guess that means they shouldn't be given weapons and sent into war zones where they are making life and death decisions that impact the world.


Submitted by iamjimm on August 21, 2008 - 12:46pm.

they received as intense training as the soldiers do prior to being "given weapons and sent into war zones".


Submitted by logicmonster on August 21, 2008 - 1:20pm.

Let's train 'em to drink!!!


Give me an hour and I bet I can come up with over 1000 volunteer teachers.


Submitted by beerBoy on August 21, 2008 - 1:47pm.

Responsibly, not in excess.


Submitted by ledstevo on August 20, 2008 - 4:43pm.

When someone drinks after they turn 18 should be THEIR choice and not the government's. In a country that was founded on principles of freedom the drinking age seems unconstitutional, and unamerican.


Submitted by nonstopjoe on August 20, 2008 - 1:43pm.

should be the same. Driving is currently age 16, so that should the the age for drinking.


Submitted by letsworkitout on August 20, 2008 - 1:49pm.

In all seroiusness that is a pretty insane comment of yours. Asinine really.


Submitted by letsworkitout on August 20, 2008 - 1:47pm.

There is absolutely no right age to drink and drive. lol. Know what you meant, but read what your wrote word for word. lol


Submitted by pungentsound on August 20, 2008 - 10:01am.

that if a person is old enough to be in the military and fight a war he or she should be old enough to have a drink. Let's raise the age for fighting wars to 21. It seems by that time people are a little less enthusiastic about such things. Maybe 50 would be a good age for a draft so these politicians could go and get the job done that they start. Oh that's right they would be exempt.


Submitted by chevyman on August 20, 2008 - 7:52am.

At 18 you're old enough to vote, old enough to join the military (even be drafted), and old enough to everything that adults do.... except drink alcohol. It's a stupid and outdated law. It's time to bring the drinking age in line with everything else. The benefits of reducing binge drinking are a bonus. Ultimately, it's just not appropriate that we treat supposed adults like children until they're 21. For the record, I'm 30, and started drinking at 15. The fact that it was illegal was no deterrent, nor did it encourage me to "binge drink". It simply made it more expensive for me to get my beer.


Submitted by dbreneman on August 20, 2008 - 7:07am.

"Binge drinking" is largely a result of the "forbidden fruit" syndrome. "Hey, look at me - I'm partying just like an adult! K-()-()-L ! " The US fosters this mindset with a ridiculously high drinking age. Why is 21 the magic number? It used to be you weren't an adult until you were 21. Couldn't vote, couldn't drink, couldn't sign a contract. Now you're an adult at 18 only in that the government can take from you, but you get nothing in return. In Germany, for instance, the drinking age is 16 (and the driving age is 18). And that only applies to drinking in public. Kids learn responsible drinking at home and legally sanctioned events, like having a beer after school with your teacher while he explains why you got the grade you did on your homework assignment. No forbidden fruit, no "look at me" posing, and because of that much less problem drinking than here in the US. When I was in high school, we had no place to go to drink legally, so we drove around in a car and drank. I'm sure that still happens today. Great law, that 21 drinking age! Sure teaches kids responsibility!


Submitted by Flanagan on August 20, 2008 - 5:20am.

such as marrying, having a child, renting an apartment, fighting for our country and often dying in the process, then it should be legal for them to purchase and comsume alcohol also.


Submitted by witchiwoman on August 20, 2008 - 7:11am.

they can jump off the bridge and shoot themselves in the head too. Doesn't mean they should.


Submitted by letsworkitout on August 19, 2008 - 8:05pm.

Look, the guys who are spearheading this deal are college presidents. Their real purpose is to reduce liabilities that occur on campus. That is all this really is. Follow the money.


Submitted by dmanlyr on August 19, 2008 - 6:43pm.

If 18 to 20 year olds are judged grown up enough to fight and possibly die for there country's freedom - then they are old enough to make the descision to drink or not.

Oh, you can carry that full auto M60, but not have a drink?!? You are "adult" enough to carry that M14, M16, M60), but too much of a baby to have a drink?!!!!!!!??? Some people in this country really need to take a reality pill on this issue.


Submitted by patty46 on August 19, 2008 - 6:46pm.

you make great sense but drinking adult beverages can lead to alcoholism and that's not good for anyone.


Submitted by Sarcasm_101 on August 19, 2008 - 5:22pm.

I really don't have a problem with lowering the drinking age to 18... but I wonder if that's really the issue here?
Looks to me like the College & University Presidents are looking for a way to reduce the school's liability. If everyone at college is of legal age to drink, the school, and especially the fraternities, can no longer be held responsible when some 20 year old gets drunk and falls out a 3rd floor window.


Submitted by Rith on August 19, 2008 - 5:13pm.

I don't see a big difference in maturity between 18 and 21 in general. Besides 18 is leagal in Europe.


Submitted by Niner1 on August 19, 2008 - 10:15am.

At one time the drinking age was 18 and it never made sense to me why it was raised to 21. Old enough to vote and fight or die for your country should be old enough to enjoy a beer afterwards.

Some will say an 18 year old is not mature enough or responsible enough but the law on everthing else in life says they are.. old enough to sign legal agreements and make other decisions that will affect them and others. I say let the imatur ones weedd themselves out - darwinism works if we stop trying to save the idiots from themselves there will be fewer of them to deal with in the long run.


Submitted by AmandaDaniel on August 19, 2008 - 10:23am.

The movement during prohibition. The assumption was that alcohol destroys brain cells and will stunt growth. The assumption was that since the body is still in its stage of growing at 18, consumption of beer would stunt growth. It was later moved to 21, but there still doesn't seem to be any direct evidence that backs the temperance belief.


Submitted by LibertyisFreedom on August 19, 2008 - 10:53am.

All corporate structures are in business to produce cash flow. It is necessary to have a product. Alcohol is not only a product. It is a psychological tool of "INDUCEMENT". Producing easy of "Manipulation" "impact" ENGRAIN MEMORY.

Yes my friends. It is a tool of "CORPORACRACY". One “leaf” of Government inducement and manipulation for cash flow. Funding more power to "CONTROL".

"The "Serpent" sucking off its self. Feeding the many heads of "CORPORACRACY".
"ALL STATED HERE IS, TRUER THAN ANY OATH OF OFFICE!

Children are the future of Government. They must be "INDUCED" as regulated.

This subject is dead.


Submitted by Niner1 on August 19, 2008 - 12:18pm.

FACT! You sound as crazy as Will Baker
FACT! Stating "FACT!" before every statement or typing in all caps or putting quotation marks around random words does not make the statement true or factual. All these together also make you sound as legitimate as Will Baker.
FACT! Corporacracy is not a word and making up words also makes you sound like a lunatic.


Submitted by LibertyisFreedom on August 20, 2008 - 4:57pm.

Just Google this word.

DEFINITION
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Corporacracy (co-por-AC-racy)
n. pl. co•por•ac-racies

1. A word combining "corporation" and "aristocracy".
2. Government by CEOs and top executives of global corporations.
3. Global corporations, considered the primary source of political power.
4. Wealth rules
5. The principles of gross financial inequality and fear of global corporations.
6. The reason the top 5% of the population control over 40% of the wealth.
7. A government that, by blatant disregard for humanity and the environment, is causing the American "middle class" to shrink, fading into an almost poverty level existence. They do this by taking advantage of the "middle class’s" apathy and its addiction to fossil fuels.
8. A government that buys figure head leaders, known as "presidents". These "leaders" are called Republicans and Democrats. Members of the shrinking "middle class" still embrace a fantasy which leads them to write editorial letters debating the differences between the two "parties". They are still under the false impression that there are only two "political" parties existing in the US.
9. The Corporacracy controls colonies in North America, Western and Eastern Europe, Central and South America, Asia, Africa and Australia. It’s sole rule of governance is to create money which creates more money.
10. Functions independently. Controlling others.
11. : For separate purposes. To produce wealth and power.
12. ultimate master slave relationship within a monetary exchange system of labor. Inducing government function. Producing predetermined results.
13. Master controller of all that can be controlled


Submitted by beerBoy on August 19, 2008 - 12:52pm.

I agree with all you state except that corpocracy is, in fact, a word that is in use.
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But, nevertheless, our new friend does seem to either be off his meds or in need of a new prescription because the ones he is currently on aren't working.


Submitted by LibertyisFreedom on August 20, 2008 - 5:01pm.

Recognizes Government infringement. Seems that would make you on the other side of Freedom…


Submitted by beerBoy on August 20, 2008 - 5:48pm.

You are a terminal fool with a few fragments of reality.
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You do not know the answers.
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You are operating with meglomanic delusions.


Submitted by LibertyisFreedom on August 20, 2008 - 6:25pm.

that didn't fit your needs ?


Submitted by turp63 on August 19, 2008 - 8:14am.

The mandatory drinking age has always irritated me. What gives govt. the right to tell someone when they are mature enough to drink?
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As stated above. You can get drafted, serve in the military and vote. But whoa, whoa, whoa you can't drink, your underage buddy. It's for you own good. That's a load of crap..


Submitted by beerBoy on August 19, 2008 - 5:30am.

By the time they reach college it is almost too late to deal effectively with binge drinking but they do have the right idea. College kids are going to drink. Illegal drinking does tend to encourage binge drinking rather than being able to legally go to a bar and have a couple beers with your friends.
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The real solution, of course, is with the family and the attitude towards drinking that is fostered there. Families that allow everyone to drink with dinner no matter what age also tend to not encourage drunken behaviors. I know several people who started drinking alcohol at age 5 and have only been drunk once in their entire life - the family disapproval of overindulging while normalizing (rather than making it the forbidden fruit) drinking was extremely effective.


Submitted by tommy98466 on August 19, 2008 - 7:17am.

We agree. I also think that parents should let children taste a little wine or beer at family functions without the fear of the Child Protection Agency. As they get older it then becomes no big deal. Thats how I was treated and now I rarely drink.


Submitted by MarksonofDarwin on August 19, 2008 - 11:15am.

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There is one caveat:..as long as the parents are modeling responsible drinking.
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This should be a given, and it is implied in both of your posts, but there are those among us who truly believe that they should be the ones to get hammered with their kids..you know, so the kids aren't doing it with other kids.
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If the parents are falling down drunk when they "allow" their children to have one glass of wine with dinner, then the lesson has been lost.
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Submitted by joshk on August 19, 2008 - 4:53am.

the age that we send young Americans into combat. It seems to me that if your willing to fight for freedom you should be entitled to it.


Submitted by n0t_thatgirl on August 19, 2008 - 11:27am.

How about lowering the drinking age for soldiers? You walk into a bar and show your military ID proving you're active duty, and you can be served. Otherwise, too bad.


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