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Which candidate do you think performed better during the vice presidential debate?

Joe Biden
51% (151 votes)
Sarah Palin
49% (144 votes)
Total votes: 295
Submitted by LuckyCharm on October 6, 2008 - 8:24am.

Apparently you can't pull up replies to posts that have already fallen off page 1. So I'm reposting my last two replies here:


More on "character, principles," yadayadayada
Submitted by LuckyCharm on October 6, 2008 - 8:08am.


"My Holiday With John McCain"

Can't wait for the debate tomorrow night!

[end of second post]


Character, courage, principles... Mmm, read this...
Submitted by LuckyCharm on October 6, 2008 - 6:39am.


Here is the link to the story in the Norwegian paper, with a photo of the woman and the letter.


Translation below, from a listserv:


Mary lacked money to fly home to Norway – he saved her love


ÅSGÅRDSTRAND (VG): Mary was a newlywed and ready to move to Norway, but was stopped at the airport because she didn't have enough money for the trip. Then a stranger turned up and paid for her.


Mary Menth Andersen was 31 years old at the time and had just married Norwegian Dag Andersen. She was looking forward to starting a new life in Åsgårdstrand in Vestfold with him. But first she had to get all of her belongings across to Norway. The date was November 2nd, 1988.
At the airport in Miami things were hectic as usual, with long lines at the check-in counters. When it was finally Mary's turn and she had placed her luggage on the baggage line, she got the message that would crush her bubbling feeling of happiness.
-You'll have to pay a 103 dollar surcharge if you want to bring both those suitcases to Norway, the man behind the counter said.
Mary had no money. Her new husband had travelled ahead of her to Norway, and she had no one else to call.
-I was completely desperate and tried to think which of my things I could manage without. But I had already made such a careful selection of my most prized possessions, says Mary.


Although she explained the situation to the man behind the counter, he showed no signs of mercy.
-I started to cry, tears were pouring down my face and I had no idea what to do. Then I heard a gentle and friendly voice behind me saying, That's OK, I'll pay for her.
Mary turned around to see a tall man whom she had never seen before.
-He had a gentle and kind voice that was still firm and decisive. The first thing I thought was, Who is this man?
Although this happened 20 years ago, Mary still remembers the authority that radiated from the man.
-He was nicely dressed, fashionably dressed with brown leather shoes, a cotton shirt open at the throat and khaki pants, says Mary.
She was thrilled to be able to bring both her suitcases to Norway and assured the stranger that he would get his money back. The man wrote his name and address on a piece of paper that he gave to Mary. She thanked him repeatedly. When she finally walked off towards the security checkpoint, he waved goodbye to her.


The piece of paper said 'Barack Obama' and his address in Kansas, which is the state where his mother comes from. Mary carried the slip of paper around in her wallet for years, before it was thrown out.
-He was my knight in shining armor, says Mary, smiling.
She paid the 103 dollars back to Obama the day after she arrived in Norway. At that time he had just finished his job as a poorly paid community worker* in Chicago, and had started his law studies at prestigious Harvard university.
In the spring of 2006 Mary's parents had heard that Obama was considering a run for president, but that he had still not decided. They chose to write a letter in which they told him that he would receive their votes. At the same time, they thanked Obama for helping their daughter 18 years earlier.
In a letter to Mary's parents dated May 4th, 2006 and stamped 'United States Senate, Washington DC', Barack Obama writes**:
'I want to thank you for the lovely things you wrote about me and for reminding me of what happened at Miami airport. I'm happy I could help back then, and I'm delighted to hear that your daughter is happy in Norway. Please send her my best wishes. Sincerely, Barack Obama, United States senator'.
The parents sent the letter on to Mary.


This week VG met her and her husband in the café that she runs with her friend Lisbeth Tollefsrud in Åsgårdstrand.
-It's amazing to think that the man who helped me 20 years ago may now become the next US president, says Mary delightedly.
She has already voted for Obama. She recently donated 100 dollars to his campaign.
She often tells the story from Miami airport, both when race issues are raised and when the conversation turns to the presidential elections.
-I sincerely hope the Americans will see reason and understand that Obama means change, says Mary.


*Not at all sure about this part of the translation. The Norwegian word used is 'miljøarbeider', I don't know what the exact English word for that is or even if there is one, and I don't know enough about Obama to say what job of his they're talking about.
**This is my translation of the reporter's translation of the letter. From English to Norwegian and back to English. So obviously it is not correct word for word.



~~Cheryl


Submitted by iamjimm on October 6, 2008 - 8:57am.

you, Cheryl, translated this from the Norwegian paper?


Submitted by LuckyCharm on October 6, 2008 - 9:01am.

"Translation below, from a listserv:"


~~C.


Submitted by iamjimm on October 6, 2008 - 9:06am.

with the long scroll and post structure it got lost. I saw "my translation" near the end and that's what I keyed on.
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It's pretty much all over the internet, but I was unable to find it on one of those "fact check" sites.


Submitted by MarksonofDarwin on October 6, 2008 - 10:52am.

Purely fiction....but then again, I'm cynical.
Oh, and I get a ton of these emailed "sweet" stories from various friends all the time. It's common knowledge that they are fictional...isn't it?
You mean there really was a kid who didn't commit suicide because some other kid helped him/her with their books??
The "email campaigning" continues...


Submitted by LuckyCharm on October 6, 2008 - 4:31pm.

It appeared in the woman's hometown newspaper, in Norway -- there's even a link so you can see for yourself. Take it to the Sons of Norway or something and have them translate it if you like...


I check out EVERYTHING before I pass it along. This is the real McCoy.


~~Cheryl


Submitted by iamjimm on October 6, 2008 - 8:34am.

Imagine what a couple bucks could do for his 1/2 brother...

Mr Obama, 26, the youngest of the presidential candidate's half-brothers, spoke for the first time about his life, which could not be more different than that of the Democratic contender.

"No-one knows who I am," he told the magazine, before claiming: "I live here on less than a dollar a month."

According to Italy's Vanity Fair his two metre by three metre shack is decorated with football posters of the Italian football giants AC Milan and Inter, as well as a calendar showing exotic beaches of the world.


Submitted by LuckyCharm on October 6, 2008 - 8:49am.

Glad you brought that up, iamjimm. CNN did a follow-up interview with him when the VF story broke:


The reports left him angry.

"I was brought up well. I live well even now," he said. "The magazines, they have exaggerated everything.

"I think I kind of like it here. There are some challenges, but maybe it is just like where you come from, there are the same challenges," Obama said.

Obama, who is in his mid-20s, is learning to become a mechanic and is active in youth groups in Huruma. He said he tries to help the community as much as he can.

At least one of his neighbors feels that perhaps the candidate should help the brother.

"I would like Obama to visit his brother to see how he is living, to improve his way of life," said Emelda Negei, who runs a small dispensary near Obama's house.

But George Obama will have none of it. He draws inspiration from his famous half-brother. He acknowledges that he is biased but said he knows that his half-brother will be the next president.

"Because he wants to be [president]," he said. "I think in life, what you want is what you are supposed to get."


Go-BAMA! Register on BarackObama.com and come to our debate watch party tomorrow night!


~~Cheryl


Submitted by tacomacityresident on October 6, 2008 - 9:10am.

I am interested to see what Obama has to say about how the bailout plan will affect his platform. With this bailout costing over a Trillion dollars, I wonder how he can even try to spend more on anything.
I noticed his health care plan will only cover children (18 & under) and welfare. Everyone else will have to buy their health coverage, hopefully, at a competitive rate.


Submitted by iamjimm on October 6, 2008 - 9:00am.

until you look at his record of charitable giving. His records only go back to 2000.
2000 = 1.0%
2001 = 0.5%
2002 = 0.4%
2003 = 1.4%
2004 = 1.2%
2006 = 6.1%


Submitted by LuckyCharm on October 5, 2008 - 5:42pm.

Now let's everybody sit down, bring up this link, click the "Play" arrow, and watch... and keep watching... and keep watching... until you have something to say about anything but your fellow posters on this thread!


If that moment doesn't come for you, that's okay. You can still forward this website to everyone you know: http://therealmccain.com/


~~Cheryl


Submitted by iamjimm on October 5, 2008 - 6:07pm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teEeRiCkkyk&feature=related
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Question...
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Under which circumstance is it more likely that riots will occur...
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McCain/Palin loss?
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Obama/Biden loss?


Submitted by boazo on October 5, 2008 - 6:17pm.

And why we should be prepared, Oh wait! They are liberals! It would be like beating Jello people.


Submitted by boazo on October 5, 2008 - 5:53pm.

So Cheryl, what are you trying to say?
That Obama is a Muslim terrorist???


Submitted by bummed1 on October 5, 2008 - 5:52pm.

.... McCain flip flops more than a fish in the bottom of a boat with a hook still in his mouth.


Submitted by boazo on October 5, 2008 - 5:54pm.

And coming from you that means? Well not much.


Submitted by frankiethomas on October 5, 2008 - 4:52pm.

http://www.discovergis.com/images/Map/Gallery/INS/edu9.gif

http://www.zogby.com/50state/


Submitted by Dcr628 on October 5, 2008 - 2:49pm.

Well, I'll tell you who won the debate...I won it...

Yeah ME, Ol'DALE won that dang debate simply because....

I DIDNT WATCH THE STUPID THING!!!! Yehaaaaaaa!!


Submitted by boazo on October 5, 2008 - 2:26pm.

I would put up or shut up on this A747drvr loser.


Submitted by boazo on October 5, 2008 - 2:23pm.

Your links prove nothing! I want to see the real birth certificate.


Submitted by hacling on October 5, 2008 - 1:45pm.

As an Obama supporter I think Palin should stay home and take care of her children and let the men deal with political matters. Men are much smarter than we women.


Submitted by beerBoy on October 6, 2008 - 4:49am.

oh the joys of the internet, it allows everyday bloggers the opportunity to engage in political dirty tricks. hacling is not an Obama supporter.


Submitted by Olemag on October 5, 2008 - 3:10pm.

Lady, you stay home - Puhleeeeze don't make this kind of comment. All of us women for Obama are immediately put on the defensive. Go eat a chocolate and get your hormones running. I am doing everything possible to help and you should too. Remember my father's motto (who came from Norway in 1904)- The Holy Trinity is "God, the Union and the Democrats."


Submitted by fanciladi on October 5, 2008 - 2:26pm.

...that comment, I agree that the one making that comment isn't too smart...if you are a woman as you say!


Submitted by a747drvr on October 5, 2008 - 9:22am.

one letter too many I think.


Submitted by boazo on October 5, 2008 - 2:29pm.

Where you still dream of being a man.


Submitted by frankiethomas on October 5, 2008 - 9:28am.

a bozo on the outside and a little "a" at heart?


Submitted by boazo on October 5, 2008 - 2:40pm.

Sure thing Barney!


Submitted by boazo on October 5, 2008 - 9:07am.

In Thursday night’s vice presidential debate Biden said the strangest and most ill-informed thing I have ever heard about Lebanon in my life. “When we kicked — along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, “Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don’t know — if you don’t, Hezbollah will control it.” Now what’s happened? Hezbollah is a legitimate part of the government in the country immediately to the north of Israel.” [Emphasis added.] What on Earth is he talking about? The United States and France may have kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon in an alternate universe, but nothing even remotely like that ever happened in this one. Nobody – nobody – has ever kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon. Not the United States. Not France. Not Israel. And not the Lebanese. Nobody. Joe Biden has literally no idea what he’s talking about. 2008


Submitted by frankiethomas on October 5, 2008 - 9:10am.

As reported INSTANTLY on CNN during the debate and on many other sources after.


Submitted by roxey on October 6, 2008 - 10:10am.

The U.S. and France never kicked Hezbolla out of Syria. So much for the spin.


Submitted by frankiethomas on October 6, 2008 - 10:22am.

They kicked Syria out of Lebanon. . . technically


Submitted by boazo on October 5, 2008 - 2:37pm.

lair


Submitted by boazo on October 5, 2008 - 8:36am.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&eurl=http://www.sondrak.com/


Submitted by boazo on October 5, 2008 - 2:33pm.

I don't talk to drunks.


Submitted by bummed1 on October 5, 2008 - 2:31pm.

for ALL of my reliable political research. C'mon, if you want to have a discussion get real eh? Don't resort to saying 747drvr hasn't even flown a toy airplane. Don't you have some homework to do?


Submitted by boazo on October 5, 2008 - 2:42pm.

Your my homework, one in the Bumm.


Submitted by davidjohnjr on October 5, 2008 - 2:48pm.

Add this to your studies: You are= you're


Submitted by boazo on October 5, 2008 - 3:58pm.

David John Jr.. - ......Lost In Lima Ohio: A True Crime Blog
Feb 23, 2007 ... America's Most Wanted has profiled David John Jr., and actively been reviewing his case in hopes of capturing this sexual predator. ...


Submitted by davidjohnjr on October 5, 2008 - 7:06pm.

Hmm...are you talking about David John Sprong Jr., captured from an airing of AMW in January of 2007? Sorry, no, I believe he's in jail now.


You have anything better to come back at me with? Want to accuse me of being a murderer next? I don't care-because with any information, you have to consider the source.


I find it amusing that you did a Google search about me...trying to scrape up dirt. No...wait. I just find that pitiful.
So by your own words, I'm a "smart" guy...but I'm stupid enough to create a user ID out of my "name", while being, according to you, a sex predator on the run (and on America's Most Wanted)?

You really are a clown, Bozo.


Submitted by bummed1 on October 5, 2008 - 4:13pm.

.... libel on this blog? Hope davidjohnjr gets a good lawyer.


Submitted by boazo on October 5, 2008 - 4:32pm.

I have read about Idiots, and you Mr. Bumm would fit that nicely.


Submitted by witchiwoman on October 6, 2008 - 7:40am.

He sounds like a relative of Old Ben. Bitter, bitter, bitter.


Submitted by boazo on October 5, 2008 - 4:23pm.

I'll take the case.


Submitted by iamjimm on October 5, 2008 - 4:16pm.

no free speech today? ( I wouldn't have posted it ) All he did was ask a simple question.


Submitted by beerBoy on October 6, 2008 - 4:52am.

do you really want to be seen as sympathetic to this troll? I know that whole bit about an enemy of my enemy being my friend but, really, this guy is just ad hominem attack and stupid, recycled Obama attacks that have been thoroughly discredited. He doesn't make your side look real good.


Submitted by iamjimm on October 6, 2008 - 7:34am.

it's really good to know you are waking up to the fact you are known by the company you keep. For consistence sake, perhaps you should apply it to Obama and the company he has kept over the years.


Submitted by witchiwoman on October 6, 2008 - 7:38am.

I am also in his company, and I don't like where this is going.


Submitted by beerBoy on October 6, 2008 - 7:42am.

beyond reason.
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He is attempting to connect his recent defense of Boazo's activity to guilt by association smears of Obama while ignoring the Keating 5 and the anointing by a witch-hunter on the other side.


Submitted by iamjimm on October 6, 2008 - 7:56am.

denial, and a hypocrite. I have never defended or denied McCain's 'Keating 5' connection. You, however, have outright dismissed Obama's connection(s) to the unsavory characters he has associated with.
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"Until I see the same sort of “outrage” from you about McCain as you post about Obama - you are just continuing your partisan ways."
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Not only did I not defend boazo, I recommended he tone it down. Until I see the same outrage from you about other posters here that use the same m.o. as boazo, you are just continuing your partisan ways.


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